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Joe The Plumber: Keating Five Family Operative?

October 16, 2008 by Suzie-Q

Joe the Plumber? More like Joe the Keating Family Operative

Crooks & Liars- By David Neiwert Thursday Oct 16, 2008 8:59am

I guess it’s no wonder John McCain was so happy to use “Joe the Plumber” as a debate prop last night — he’s a partisan Republican who also happens to be a member of McCain’s old friends, the Keating family.

From Martin Eisenstadt:

Turns out that Joe Wurzelbacher from the Toledo event is a close relative of Robert Wurzelbacher of Milford, Ohio. Who’s Robert Wurzelbacher? Only Charles Keating’s son-in-law and the former senior vice president of American Continental, the parent company of the infamous Lincoln Savings and Loan. The now retired elder Wurzelbacher is also a major contributor to Republican causes giving well over $10,000 in the last few years.

Now I guess we know why Joe is telling the press that Obama is a “socialist” and that the Obama tax plan “infuriated” him. After all, it would hit families like the Keatings and their minions the hardest.

Not to mention that Obama’s economic-recovery plan would put the crimps on influence peddlers like McCain’s old friends, the Keating Five.

But he sure made for a good one-day story.

[H/t to Mike.]

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29 Responses

  1. on October 16, 2008 at 11:58 am teak

    I heard on CNN that Joe does not have a license for plumbing in Ohio. So is he a plumber or not?


  2. on October 16, 2008 at 12:32 pm Pablo Don

    And he didnt pay his taxes. And in Toledo av. income is 41.000. With that kind of income you dont call a plumber anyway


  3. on October 16, 2008 at 12:46 pm Suzie-Q

    He is part of the Keating Family… that says volumes about who he is.


  4. on October 16, 2008 at 12:52 pm teak

    It does sound like Joe is a McCain plant.

    http://www.plunderbund.com/2008/10/16/is-joe-wurzelbacher-aka-joe-the-plumber-a-republican-plant/


  5. on October 16, 2008 at 1:25 pm Dave Dubya

    Aww, say it aint so, Joe!


  6. on October 16, 2008 at 2:08 pm Basheert

    I am still laughing…I must admit, the Republicans stupidity simply amazes me.
    Did they really THINK that no one would investigate this Republican plant?


  7. on October 16, 2008 at 2:55 pm Bruce

    Joe’s a Republican plumber. He was trained at Watergate.


  8. on October 16, 2008 at 3:05 pm Matt Osborne

    We have met the October surprise, and his name is Joe. Or maybe Samuel.


  9. on October 16, 2008 at 3:26 pm tjcarroll

    I’m SURE he was just an average citizen, not a Republican Party plant at the Obama rally. I mean, come on, are they really that stupid? That suggests a level of despiration that is completely off the dial.

    Of course, now that I think about it, it all makes sense! McCain’s campaign will go down as the worse run in modern Presidential politics. Totally inept, lying and stupid, and that’s just the VP.

    I know, it’s all been just a joke. Anytime now, the real John McCain will come out from behind the curtains and the fun really begins.

    Whatever happened to all of the smart Republicans?


  10. on October 16, 2008 at 5:46 pm underdog

    I find it very unlikely this guy is a Republican plant. If his father was Robert M. Wurzelbacher Jr., that means his mother is Elizabeth Keating, one of Mr. Keating’s daughters.

    COME ON.

    There is no way this would have gotten out there like that. This poor guy did something that he felt was right. I disagree with him and I think is “socialist” rhetoric is stupid, and I feel that Obama is more in tune with family values and personal responsibility, but I think he is being unfairly targeted for asking a stupid question.

    And face it, unless I am wrong and he really is a millionaire planted by FOX or the Republicans, he really WOULD do better under an Obama administration.

    Please be careful what speculations are made about this guy. He may be innocent of all of this. There are weeks to go. This will be resolved before the election.


  11. on October 16, 2008 at 6:50 pm Suzie-Q

    Anyway, back to Robert Wurzelbacher, Joe the Plumber’s father. You see, Robert Wurzelbacher was an executive of American Continental Corporation, the parent company of Charles Keating’s Lincoln Savings. That’s the bank which caused citizens to lose their life savings and cost U.S. taxpayers $3.4 billion. As part of that scandal, Robert Wurzelbacher pleaded guilty to three counts of misapplying $14 million and served 40 months in prison.

    And now, Lincoln Savings, Robert Wurzelbacher and Joe the Plumber are back with John McCain.

    So what started off as a story about a father trying hard to provide for his family is turning into something else, and no doubt there will be plenty more information being leaked. (No pun intended.) We’ll see if PlumberGate will send McCain’s campaign down the toilet. (Pun totally intended!)

    http://www.babble.com/CS/blogs/famecrawler/archive/2008/10/16/plumbergate-joe-the-plumber-is-related-to-charles-keating-and-also-owes-back-taxes.aspx


  12. on October 16, 2008 at 7:01 pm Suzie-Q

    So, it looks like Joe the Plumber is Charles Keating’s grandson? If Robert Wurzelbacher is married to Charles Keating’s daughter and Joe is the son of Robert…

    What has been the relationship between McCain and Robert Wurzelbacher until now?? hmmm….


  13. on October 16, 2008 at 9:57 pm sauer kraut

    Joe is not a plant. He’s a human. A human who bit off a bit more than he could chew. And a human who may have fluffed himself a bit but now finds himself exposed as a charlatan. He’s not a plumber and he doesn’t own the business.

    And Obama’s tax proposals will result in no tax increase for him.

    But then, it appears Joe hasn’t allowed tax bills to get in the way of him not paying them.


  14. on October 16, 2008 at 10:08 pm Basheert

    Joe the Plumber needs to be yesterday’s news … IF he’s related to Charlie Keating – he is a stupid as we think he is. The fact is, people were going to sniff out everything about this guy. It wasn’t the Obama people going after him – it’s pretty much EVERYONE. It was too convenient – and too easy to find out the info.

    Everything the McSame campaign does is tactic – they have NO strategery – (I LOVE that word) – they may actually be so stupid they figured they could fly this guy by!


  15. on October 17, 2008 at 5:48 am William K. Wolfrum Chronicles » Blog Archive » Why is it so hard to Google the name “Martin Eisenstadt” before going on a Plumber Joe freakfest?

    [...] Blog Bites, 23/6, Blue Herald, Neil Rogers, Cogitamus, Boulder Blog, Skippy the Bush Kangaroo, Suzie Q, and [...]


  16. on October 17, 2008 at 6:06 am TJ

    Robert M. Wurzelbacher is a MAJOR, MAJOR Republican donor (see link below), giving huge amounts to Republican candidates all over the country.

    http://www.newsmeat.com/fec/bystate_detail.php?last=WURZELBACHER&first=Robert

    I can’t believe what a complete idiot John McCain is for going down this road with the fraud “Joe the Plumber.” And bringing someone into his campaign that is tied to the Keating 5 scandal is the closest thing I’ve ever seen to political suicide. What a MORON!!


  17. on October 17, 2008 at 4:23 pm drew from little ol texas

    Joe the Plumber Flushes McCain/Palin Campaign !!


  18. on October 17, 2008 at 4:40 pm Suzie-Q

    Yep, right into the sewer … where all crap should go! LOL


  19. on October 17, 2008 at 5:36 pm Martin Eisenstadt’s Blog » Blog Archive » Updates on the Joe the Plumber story

    [...] Neil Rogers, Cogitamus, Talking Points Memo (plebnista), Boulder Blog, Skippy the Bush Kangaroo, Suzie Q, and [...]


  20. on October 17, 2008 at 5:36 pm Martin Eisenstadt’s Blog » Blog Archive » Updates on the Joe the Plumber story

    [...] Neil Rogers, Cogitamus, Talking Points Memo (plebnista), Boulder Blog, Skippy the Bush Kangaroo, Suzie Q, and [...]


  21. on October 18, 2008 at 10:20 am Victoria

    Joe is the gift that keeps on giving!
    Check this out..
    http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/128323

    He does not have a licence to do plumbing, avoids taxes and does NOT pay his vehicle violations! A real model of America…NOT!!!


  22. on October 18, 2008 at 11:03 am Linda

    How does anything about Joe change the words that came straight from Obama’s mouth?

    This was said without a teleprompter or someone whispering in his ear what to say. Very scary. It shows what he really thinks.

    What will he say to leaders of other countries when not controlled by whoever is controlling him? Can you say WWIII?

    Not only is he not qualified and not experienced , but the only thing he has been successful at in his whole life is hiding his past!

    Blaming Joe is like a kid getting caught cheating and blaming the kid next to him for having the right answer on his paper.

    Seriously, if you people think that this was planned then someone in Obama’s camp set him up.

    He came out of his house and asked a question. Interesting to see what will happen if he is elected. Anyone makes him look bad, even if it is Obama’s fault, will be dealt with severely. Can you say loss of the 1st amendment. Quickly followed by loss of the 2nd amendment.

    Open your eyes people. You are being brainwashed by his lies because you want to believe him. Why would you think he would cut your taxes when he has never once voted to cut taxes. He is lying to you.

    Don’t you remember the Senior High School President that promised he would fight for no homework? He won but on a promise he couldn’t possible fulfill!


  23. on October 18, 2008 at 11:05 am Linda

    BTW. The person in charge of Obama’s finances, owes back taxes.


  24. on October 18, 2008 at 11:13 am Linda

    If you people believe that Joe was a plant, or that he was trying to set Obama up, it explains why you would believe what Obama tells you.

    Thank you. I have been asking myself why any one would vote for Obama. Now I know.

    If Obama can be set up so easily, how will he do when he sits down at a table with our enemies?


  25. on October 18, 2008 at 11:16 am Linda

    I heard that the person that yelled out ‘Terrorist’ at McCain rally was really Bill Ayers Cousin – once removed. Sent there just so the Democrats would be able to use it against McCain.


  26. on October 18, 2008 at 12:26 pm Bob

    You liberal democrats are unbelievable! A guy asks a simple question of your candidate and we go into character assassination mode. Charles Rangel owes a hell of a lot more back taxes but he is still serving as head of the ways and means committee – apparently he can’t interpret the laws his own committee writes.

    This is garbage – Joe/Sam is an American, just like all of us and has a right to ask questions of the people who seek to hold the highest office in the land. To ridicule somebody, pointing out all his apparent problems doesn’t prop you up or make you any smarter – it ultimately makes you a smaller. Get a life!


  27. on October 18, 2008 at 12:32 pm Linda

    I heard that the person in the crowd at the McCain rally that yelled “terrorist” was Bill Ayer’s first cousin once removed.

    He was sent by the democrats so they could use it against McCain.


  28. on October 18, 2008 at 2:23 pm hankit ng

    “Joe the plumber” is truly the FACE of all American Small Business and Workers. He should have known better to not confront OBAMA, who is the Media and Liberals’ PET. Joe
    will suffer the consequences of Heroism to tell the truth about OBAMA’s Socialism and Well Redistribution. You folks
    out there, especially young,naive minds of those college students,you will pay a HEFTY price to vote for the most LIBERAL senator on the planet. Joe is already been attacked
    viciously by the Media, the Liberals and the Democrats.
    They will expose Joe, as they are Saints on Earth. They are a bunch of CORRUPTS!
    Look at Palin. The more attacks she faces, the more I see her determination and strenght, and the more I admire her.
    She is really a MAVERICK!!!
    Through out the campaigns, I have seen lots of negativety and I have made up my mind. I will VOTE for THE LESS EVIL.


  29. on October 20, 2008 at 5:53 am lol

    @hankit ng

    Who are you kidding?

    If SATAN was on the republican ticket and Jesus was democrat, you’d vote for SATAN over Jesus.

    And that’s what’s the problem with the country today.

    No one votes for the more qualified guy. People vote their party regardless of how incompetent the candidate.

    The fact that you think “Joe” is being treated unfairly, when all people are doing is checking the facts, speaks volumes about your intellectual and moral honesty.

    You think “Joe”; who does not have a plumbing license, yet runs around calling himself plumber. Who doesn’t pay his taxes. Who doesn’t pay his speeding tickets. Who has an agenda since he is worried about taxes at 250K yet probably makes less than 50K, is the hallmark of moral values?

    where’s his kids mother anyway?

    So much for the moral values crowd.



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